Though many spiritual leaders preach visions of a better future, it's also common to bypass hard facts and focus on the happy ending. Not so for Reverend Mark Tyler.  On this episode of the HearTOGETHER Podcast, Tyler shares his path to leadership, the importance of slogans in activism, and what "Defund the Police" means to him.

MUSIC

Johnson "Lift Every Voice and Sing," The Philadelphia Orchestra w. vocalist Laurin Talese
"Magic," Maze ft. Frankie Beverly
Work "Go Tell It On The Mountain," string quartet  w. vocalist Patrice Hawthorne
Tindley "We Shall Overcome," brass quintet